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Post by sabrina on Nov 16, 2007 22:55:19 GMT
quotations quotations 
its my go lol
The bible says let he who is without sin cast the first stone. that does not apply to you tek yuh mind offa mi ;D And it doesn't APPLY to any one on this God given earth.. |
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Post by Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE on Nov 16, 2007 22:56:12 GMT
If a person is not bothered, why continue to respond?> Doesn't make sense  Can some one say OXYMORON? |
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Post by Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE on Nov 16, 2007 22:57:10 GMT
And it doesn't APPLY to any one on this God given earth.. And who TOLD YOU that I'm NOT without sin? |
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Post by sabrina on Nov 16, 2007 23:06:38 GMT
actions speak louder than words ;D
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Post by Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE on Nov 16, 2007 23:08:49 GMT
Au revoir every one
I'm off to get ready for a -B-on the town
Hope you all have a nice night and weekend
Don't miss (hate )me too much
I'll be back to bother you all on Monday ;D
Hopefully by then, you would of come to your senses and realise that it's pathetic to be arguing with an internet personality , especially in a thread such as this one.
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Post by Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE on Nov 16, 2007 23:10:53 GMT
actions speak louder than words ;D And there YOU have it Because ALL you are SEEING is MY words Nothing more or nothing ess Have nice night and weekend |
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Post by omg on Nov 16, 2007 23:14:04 GMT
Au revoir every one I'm off to get ready for a -B-on the town Hope you all have a nice night and weekend Don't miss (hate )me too much I'll be back to bother you all on Monday ;D Hopefully by then, you would of come to your senses and realise that it's pathetic to be arguing with an internet personality , especially in a thread such as this one. bye gutter rat dont come back |
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Post by matrix on Nov 17, 2007 5:09:11 GMT
Oh dear better watch it matrix you'll be called a sheep next  :DLOL |
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Post by matrix on Nov 17, 2007 5:18:36 GMT
Yes they have, likewise I have every right to put forth my questions... If they don't like it, don't put up your stories If I came across harsh, I apologise Sorry, but I'm not like the rest of you that sit down and believe everything that's written and told to them I'm an analytic person well go analize ur retarded self.. YO. I COULDNT AGREE MORE. |
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Post by magnum on Nov 17, 2007 6:51:52 GMT
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Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi Adios
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Post by Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi Adios on Nov 17, 2007 11:25:25 GMT
5am -6am in the morning and all you can think about is an internet personality?
Wow!
I don't feel honored not one bit, I feel sorry for you.
Are you jealous of my academic achievements?
No, really are you? Or do you feel ashamed to know that a psychotic, childish, immature, retarded bitch like myself (which you and other posters have referred me as) was able to attain all those qualifications and a sane, intelligent, mature person like yourself didn't?
Doesn't it make you feel bad that I'm probably that person in the microbiology lab that works for the STI clinic that YOU frequently attend, doesn't it make YOU feel really gutted?
Anyway this site is getting quite redundant, it's not as amusing to me as it use to be. Especially when it's the same old people signing in with different names to come and trace me. (Because come on now, ALL of you can't be so thick to not know that after a full stop comes a capital letter to start a next sentence)
No one on here has their own opinions, just a bunch of conformists AKA Drones and people who have nothing better to do BUT to gossip about folks.
So great news, I wont be coming back to post.
I'm NOT just talking about this thread I'm talking about coming back to this BOARD. Maybe some people can finally get some much needed beauty sleep instead of waking up 5am in the morning to come and trace me.
Now lets see how lackluster this board would be without me ;D
Oh, one more thing just remember if it wasn't for ME playing devils advocate and fool to catch wise (flew over ALL of YOUR heads BIG, BIG, BIG TIME) this thread wouldn't of reached 100+ replies. Other mothers who have children snatched away by the system wouldn't of been informed about THIS thread on other forums, so they can come and share their stories.
You bitches should be thanking me. ;D
I wish EVERY ONE in here that has had their gems wrongly removed from their home by the ants of the illumanti, all the best in getting them back
ARRIVEDERCI
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Post by matrix on Nov 17, 2007 13:24:57 GMT
I SAW THIS COMMING. I KNEW THIS LOW LIFE BITCH COULDNT FINISH WHAT SHE STARTED. SHE IS UNEDUCATED AND TRIES TO BE SOMEONE SHE IS NOT. |
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Post by omg on Nov 17, 2007 21:29:23 GMT
bye gutter rat dont come back
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Post by missmyson on Nov 17, 2007 21:45:31 GMT
It just shows she likes winding people up. and as soon as she hears what she doesn't want to hear she/he goes. typical. lol internet personaility AKA got no life.
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Post by Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi on Nov 17, 2007 22:57:34 GMT
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!Just goes to show that even when I say I've gone you still can't help to chat about ME. And you say I have NO life. The f**king IRONY
And sorry to disappoint YOU missmyson, I've been visiting and posting on this board for a while NOW and have read plenty of things I didn't like or agree with, but it didn't stop ME from coming back or responding
This board is boring and lackluster just like it's posters with the exception of a marginal few and I no longer what to be apart of it.
If YOU thought I was a wind up merchant, why did you fall for the bait?LOL Don't bother answering that, because it's a rhetorical question (if you know what that means).
If YOU'RE not an internet personality, what the f**k are you? EVERY ONE that interacts with others via the internet via a message board is an INTERNET PERSONALITY, you dimwit
Oh and before people have the audacity to call other's uneducated
please make sure what you have written is accurate, because it only makes yourself look stupid.
It's COMING NOT COMMING
It's COULDN'T NOT COULDNT
It's suppose to be SHE's and NOT "She is not"
Oh and I never start what I can't manage or finish unlike some.
So kindly go labba juice your mother with a KFC straw please and thanks.
I'm officially logging off.
So further comments about me or to me will go unanswered.
Just tek yuh mind offa mi
According to you all, I'm suppose to be a waste girl, no lifer, retard, pyscohtic etc.
So why carry on typing about about me?
f**king Idiots
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Post by omg on Nov 17, 2007 23:06:25 GMT
I've been visiting and posting on this board for a while NOW and have read plenty of things I didn't like or agree with, but it didn't stop ME from coming back or responding
This board is boring and lackluster just like it's posters with the exception of a marginal few and I no longer what to be apart of it.
you have been visiting this site for a while bur its the first time u made yr f0nts bigger
ur clever arent u
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Post by matrix on Nov 18, 2007 5:20:51 GMT
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!Just goes to show that even when I say I've gone you still can't help to chat about ME. And you say I have NO life. The f**king IRONY
And sorry to disappoint YOU missmyson, I've been visiting and posting on this board for a while NOW and have read plenty of things I didn't like or agree with, but it didn't stop ME from coming back or responding
This board is boring and lackluster just like it's posters with the exception of a marginal few and I no longer what to be apart of it.
If YOU thought I was a wind up merchant, why did you fall for the bait?LOL Don't bother answering that, because it's a rhetorical question (if you know what that means).
If YOU'RE not an internet personality, what the f**k are you? EVERY ONE that interacts with others via the internet via a message board is an INTERNET PERSONALITY, you dimwit
Oh and before people have the audacity to call other's uneducated
please make sure what you have written is accurate, because it only makes yourself look stupid.
It's COMING NOT COMMING
It's COULDN'T NOT COULDNT
It's suppose to be SHE's and NOT "She is not"
Oh and I never start what I can't manage or finish unlike some.
So kindly go labba juice your mother with a KFC straw please and thanks.
I'm officially logging off.
So further comments about me or to me will go unanswered.
Just tek yuh mind offa mi
According to you all, I'm suppose to be a waste girl, no lifer, retard, pyscohtic etc.
So why carry on typing about about me?
f**king Idiots
AND YOUR POINT IS? |
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Post by inspire on Nov 18, 2007 8:04:27 GMT
Hi everyone i am new here. This topic is interesting but we need to be civilised im disgusted by some stuff being written on this site  |
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Post by abu on Nov 18, 2007 9:29:16 GMT
BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!Just goes to show that even when I say I've gone you still can't help to chat about ME. And you say I have NO life. The f**king IRONY
And sorry to disappoint YOU missmyson, I've been visiting and posting on this board for a while NOW and have read plenty of things I didn't like or agree with, but it didn't stop ME from coming back or responding
This board is boring and lackluster just like it's posters with the exception of a marginal few and I no longer what to be apart of it.
If YOU thought I was a wind up merchant, why did you fall for the bait?LOL Don't bother answering that, because it's a rhetorical question (if you know what that means).
If YOU'RE not an internet personality, what the f**k are you? EVERY ONE that interacts with others via the internet via a message board is an INTERNET PERSONALITY, you dimwit
Oh and before people have the audacity to call other's uneducated
please make sure what you have written is accurate, because it only makes yourself look stupid.
It's COMING NOT COMMING
It's COULDN'T NOT COULDNT
It's suppose to be SHE's and NOT "She is not"
Oh and I never start what I can't manage or finish unlike some.
So kindly go labba juice your mother with a KFC straw please and thanks.
I'm officially logging off.
So further comments about me or to me will go unanswered.
Just tek yuh mind offa mi
According to you all, I'm suppose to be a waste girl, no lifer, retard, pyscohtic etc.
So why carry on typing about about me?
f**king Idiots
For all your corrections on other peoples spellings you would think "pyscohtic" might have been spelt correctly. |
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Post by tzar on Nov 18, 2007 9:36:46 GMT
Hi everyone i am new here. This topic is interesting but we need to be civilised im disgusted by some stuff being written on this site Couldnt agree more, i joined in with this discussion hoping to help raise awareness about the injustice parents and children are suffering everyday but the way some people have been responding is pathetic. Just look at some of the topics and the vocabulary that has been used, why people need to talk to each other in this manner is beyond me. |
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Post by hayley andrews on Nov 22, 2007 11:59:56 GMT
If a person is not bothered, why continue to respond?> Doesn't make sense Can some one say OXYMORON? what would u do if this happened to u? keep yu mouth shut observe n learn |
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Post by sabrina on Jan 29, 2008 9:27:28 GMT
Hi I just want wanted to share this parents experience with you. Another example of the system failing our children and abusing their powers in every way possible.. I share alot of the same experiences as others on this site with the bureaucracy and corruption that goes on in these cases. However my daughter was older a teenager, so I more than sympathise at families of younger children who cannot speak for themselves (not that being older did my daughter any good) and babies ripped from mothers in labour ward delivery rooms.
This system renders us all virtually powerless. In our case with the collaboration of teachers, doctors, hospitals, police, cafcass, psychologists, SS, foster 'carers' judges and the state of legal aid have all worked against us, even care workers continue to blight our monthly contact, and a 6yrs estranged vindictive father, have made my daughters life a living nightmare, which she in no way ever deserved and I could never have imagined in my worst nightmares.
This is a worldwide endemic and I wish to find an end to it, and however unrealistic that all our stolen children be returned to their loving homes.
Our story in brief.
I fled the UK in 2007 with my daughter.Due to false accusations by ss & police.Many lies and disturbing events.All because I put up a fight for my child and kept her off school for a month because of genuine health problems (I could not prove to satisfy court) and bullying.
SS and police harrassed us for months, then accused me of having MSBP, then of sexual abuse, by which I was unlawfully evicted from busines premises.
We were captured due to police allegations and interpol abroad without any fact, I was falsely imprisoned no trial no idea when I'd see my daughter again.My daughter was returned to UK without me, after spending 2 nights in 2 foster homes.
I was deported a month later.I was treated like a terrorist not an agonised mother.I was frogmarched off the plane infront of all passengers, by armed police in London who treated me very babyly and at first denied me a phonecall.Kept in a cell overnight one blanket and a mat.
Due to SS & foster 'care' my daughter has been molested, assaulted, undernourished and isolated.My daughter and I were never aware such evils were perpetrated by these people.We have never done anything bad to anyone. I have never been violent to anyone and all my daughters friends knew me as a great mum. The SS claimed my daughter has no friends and that I isolated her, nothing is further from the truth.
My daughter is isolated now in an area where you never see a kid, no shops, post office nothing. She is only allowed out for 1 hour, and this has tended to be rarely, because she cannot bear to ask the foster people who assaulted her and daily belittle her infront of their friedns and family. They have told my daughter she is their prisoner, and that I am mad (I explain that one below), and accuse her now of brainwashing other kids in the foster house!!
My daughter is nothing but supoprtive to these other younger children as she is the oldest, never tells them anything bad to do or say, and she is even made to help them with their homework because the foster carers cant be bothered.She does it willingly even though these other children do silly things which the foster people blame my daughter for!
On my return to UK I was assaulted by neighbours due to the stigma.People who don't know me at all, know nothing about our circumstances.A gang of 5 followed me from my car as I tried to cross the 3ft to my house, assaulted in my own hallway. Hurling abuse about my child being taken from me labelling me as mad.
{Ridiculous as I have never had any mental illness, and am too intelligent to slate anyone who has, I have never taken drugs or committed any working, you could not meet anyone more straight laced. My daughter was not a tearaway, she is placid, at the top of her class in school, polite and above average intelligence as am I with IQs between 120-139. I was also running my own business - or trying to whilst being harrassed since 2006.}
Police fined one of this gang, and the court used the event against me as though I had caused these people to asault me!They were waiting for me in the street as I returned home.
A care order was made in Sep 07 (7mths wait) under emotional harm.The father so vindictive after losing a custody battle he instigated some years before, sided with SS for my daughter to be put in foster care!My daughter protests all the way thbaby she wants to go home, she is not looked after, she is not even provided feminine hygeine products. My daughter no longer will entertain a relationship with her father (he's English). I have been accused of it but have never and would never obstruct her even now, although I'd have to bite my tongue very hard.
SS assessments were a complete sham, all the way thbaby I was told I had failed.As I would not divulge my w L family life because I was recently bereaved, and do not want these people putting things that aren't true about me or my family on permanent records somewhere.
Many many corruptions including data theft, drugging, medical testing failures to name a few. Absolute manifest negligence.A total living nightmare.My daughter now suffers daily and spends almost like these children (times newspaper online article: www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article2351455.ece?Submitted=true) all her time in a room to avoid her assaulters, she goes to school whether ill or not.
Court demanded SS get the police report for assault on my daughter by foster 'carer' (because my daughter managed to go out into the night and report on the foster carers) it is now almost a year later and nothing has been produced.
Total cover up by the SS and police.I am at a total loss no-one can help us. I am a single parent, and this my only child. Blond blue eyed. I feel this is a racial thing as I am not english. How would you feel if your child was taken away under such circumstances by people not even the same race and allowed to treat your child so badly? Our religion is similar to Jewish as we do not eat pork, and she is put in a pork eating household.(So my daughter gets no cooked breakfasts).All our human rights have been stripped.
I'm trying to take legal action but the day to day living with this is very hard. I cannot afford to move. I spent £7000+ on this so far and it's not even a year. As a result I have let myself get into considerable debt, also due to malicious loss of my livelihood. I've no real confidence in the legal system and a high court appeal in london has been refused. On what possible grounds?! I intend to approach Mr Hemming and my MP as I hope an end will come for my daughter's misery, and woudl welcome any other advice that I could / should be doing.
I have a site here : www.freewebs.com/axis-red but it's not been working. I want to start a poll and petition against social services and social workers involved in these workings against children purporting to be child protection. They have not supported my child or our family for one second to keep us together which is why we fled.
If anyone else has any similar experience to ours I would like to hear from you, or any - I am constantly reading the horror stories all over the internet.
Do other parents here, find the absolute disregard for childrens safety by care workers when driving them to and from contact? Is it just me or are they indiscriminately wicked, driving too fast, terrible attitude etc. watching you like prison wardens? And yes, I know what prison is like.
Our family life is one of always talking, supportive, fun-filled, fully functional (except for chronic illness) before all this happened. Our own business, working towards a mortgage etc. all the normal things. Due to bereavement our exttended family is split so I do not get much support there anymore. We are now both pretty much isolated where we once enjoyed a happy loving family lifestyle with excellent outlook for my daughter. She now doesn't feel the same about life or prepare for her final school years and university in the same way that we had always hoped for her.
I believe this is a working against humanity - so many cases all across the world (which makes me realise although normally level headed and never consider fleeing the country! was pretty useless as it was happening where we fled to aswell!) . One woman was in jail for giving her child a coat after he was taken into foster care and not provided with a coat in the snow in the school ground standing shivvering!! A teacher phoned the police.
I have risked imprisonment here in UK as my daughter was isolated I smuggled a mobile to her, so she could call me if in dire a & so we could communicate and console eachother. The court allowed her to keep the phone calling me deceitful. I did it for my daugters safety not to be deceitful. The SS now limit it (I pay for it!!) She cant take it to sch. where she might need it most incase stranded!
The fosters give my daughter £4 per week lunch money. For 6mths they didnt' feed her 'food' so I sent all her food & money because she was getting no fruit, vegetables, etc just processed microburgers. My daughter went from a healthy 7st to 5st in a month!That's why I sent her food. The SS stopped me saying its inappropriate!Now I'm not allowed to send her a packet of crsips. They argue I was undermining the fosters, they're the priority?
This is a truly evil regime. The judges are fascist dictators. There is nothing democratic about these proceedings. There should be a mass worldwide protest, but I fear not because we've all been isolated due to our individual circumstances.
Well before I go on, thanks all for reading and good luck with your fight for your children. Oops I should mention the false accusations of MSBP sexual abuse (claims I exposed my daughter to computer porn!! totally untrue)and police allegations were all disproved or dismissed in court by forensic analysis and the SS retracted their claims!
No apology for telling my daughter that these allegations were made against me whilst she was isolated - which was basically so that she coud be interrogated to see if she knew of any truth to their outrageous claims! This has not undermined my daughters view of me, but it is an unpleasant scar to think back on in later years.
The SS are guilty of emotional abuse for making my daughter potentially think less of me for something they completely fabricated to enable them to take her into care!!
Another similar story in Daily mail here : www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=496235&in_page_id=1879
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Post by shystie on Jan 30, 2008 0:14:38 GMT
This is all very intresting but children are not taken away on a whime local authorities have procedures to follow they do a 30 day full investigation a core assessment, into family life, background and enviromental factors.
Mother of 3 i am not a believer of judging people but nothing adds up about your story. maybe you felt the need to be part of a communication network but authorities put many support systems in place to keep children with their families together at all costs;it's odd how no meMber of your family were able to have regular or everyday care of your children. This is always the first option a family member as foster care is such a high financial cost to local authorities.
Iwork in child protection and ALL families are given a chance to improve their family life to improve and understand how to offer their children the best possible outcomes in life, they are given family support workers, parenting courses the last and final option is removal.
Your children must have been in serious a of neglect or abuse. I have worked with heroin and crack addicts who have been given support to get clean and care for their children by re-teaching them how to parent, skills they did not posess.
Reading between the lines people like you who blame others for their misfortune and cannot take responsibility for their own actions (i believe) have some sort of imbalance in their minds. You are an adult you have responsibility for what happens to your children you made a choice to attend a school out of your home area therefore you made a choice to get them up early to travel to that school.
Children are our future and parenting is a gift not every adult that has sex and [produces a child realises this]. Our anti-social society is due to parent's and families not having the parenting skills and knowledge to pass on to their children giving them the correct skills and understanding to be honest and productive members of society.
Our black children do need to work harder but everyone needs to try and work together as a society, take time to smile, say thank you have respect for elders to have those old fashion values back.
our children are having children and they have no life experience or skills to pass on "i'm so hard done by, no one understands me, no one gives me a chance" I say Know yourself show others who you are and what you are capable of, make your own destiny use the gifts god gave you.
Fostercarers are regulated and checked regularly, this seems like another set of statements your making to justify in your own mind why THE SYSTEM and not you are responsible for destroying your children's lives. We all have private lives and things we like to do but as Parents we need to make sure that there is a clear distinction between what we as adults choose to do and what we choose to teach and show our children.
As i say i am not making a judgement as i do not know you or your situation but a simple statement: Children are the most precious comodity we have in the world and they need to be protected at all costs. If your children are being treated so badly in local authority you should contact your local MP or director of social services and get an investigation done into their care.
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Post by sabrina on Jan 30, 2008 9:36:20 GMT
This is all very intresting but children are not taken away on a whime local authorities have procedures to follow they do a 30 day full investigation a core assessment, into family life, background and enviromental factors. Mother of 3 i am not a believer of judging people but nothing adds up about your story. maybe you felt the need to be part of a communication network but authorities put many support systems in place to keep children with their families together at all costs;it's odd how no meMber of your family were able to have regular or everyday care of your children. This is always the first option a family member as foster care is such a high financial cost to local authorities. Iwork in child protection and ALL families are given a chance to improve their family life to improve and understand how to offer their children the best possible outcomes in life, they are given family support workers, parenting courses the last and final option is removal. Your children must have been in serious a of neglect or abuse. I have worked with heroin and crack addicts who have been given support to get clean and care for their children by re-teaching them how to parent, skills they did not posess. Reading between the lines people like you who blame others for their misfortune and cannot take responsibility for their own actions (i believe) have some sort of imbalance in their minds. You are an adult you have responsibility for what happens to your children you made a choice to attend a school out of your home area therefore you made a choice to get them up early to travel to that school. Children are our future and parenting is a gift not every adult that has sex and [produces a child realises this]. Our anti-social society is due to parent's and families not having the parenting skills and knowledge to pass on to their children giving them the correct skills and understanding to be honest and productive members of society. Our black children do need to work harder but everyone needs to try and work together as a society, take time to smile, say thank you have respect for elders to have those old fashion values back. our children are having children and they have no life experience or skills to pass on "i'm so hard done by, no one understands me, no one gives me a chance" I say Know yourself show others who you are and what you are capable of, make your own destiny use the gifts god gave you. Fostercarers are regulated and checked regularly, this seems like another set of statements your making to justify in your own mind why THE SYSTEM and not you are responsible for destroying your children's lives. We all have private lives and things we like to do but as Parents we need to make sure that there is a clear distinction between what we as adults choose to do and what we choose to teach and show our children. As i say i am not making a judgement as i do not know you or your situation but a simple statement: Children are the most precious comodity we have in the world and they need to be protected at all costs. If your children are being treated so badly in local authority you should contact your local MP or director of social services and get an investigation done into their care.
Any idiot working in Child Protection would know that.
www.fassit.co.uk/child_protection_advice.htm
Perhaps you the one that feel the need to be part of a group.
If you going to lie you could at least do a bit of research so that you get your facts right.
And yes alot of children are taken away on a whim or even less.
What exactly is your role in child protection?
No one is looking for advice from you. Mother of 3 like the other parents who posted on this site to raise awareness. There is already a number of support groups offering help, support and advice to parents who have had their children removed by social services for no good reason.
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Post by sabrina on Jan 30, 2008 13:24:03 GMT
Kayla Yvonne Allen's foster parent, Carolyn Futrell, is going to trial on April 7, 2008.
Tuesday, Jan. 8, Judge Ruled Poison will not be Suppressed!
QUOTE Fostercarers are regulated and checked regularly, this seems like another set of statements your making to justify in your own mind why THE SYSTEM and not you are responsible for destroying your children's lives. We all have private lives and things we like to do but as Parents we need to make sure that there is a clear distinction between what we as adults choose to do and what we choose to teach and show our children. QUOTE
Foster carers are checked regularly my a s s
This website of full of unintelligent illiterate people who lie about their background to make themselves look better than other people.
Shystie looking at your history of posts on this site you are no different. If you really worked in child protection this topic would of caught your attention, meaning you would of commented here before commenting on the thread named NO MORE SECRETS. You also should of been able to offer better advice. If you work in child protection maybe you nothing more that the cleaner
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Post by inspire on Jan 30, 2008 18:00:59 GMT
shystie i dont see anything inconsistant in mother_of|_3 story why the personal attack?
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Post by sabrina on Feb 3, 2008 2:46:25 GMT
When social workers become baby snatchers
By Vicki Woods
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 02/02/2008
I was stricken - really stricken - by the story of the teenage mother whose baby was snatched by social workers this week. "Snatched" is an emotionally loaded word, I know. But it was an emotionally loaded removal.
Council's second bid to part mother from baby
Two hours after the 18-year-old had delivered her healthy son at 4am on Wednesday, social workers from Nottingham City Council walked into the maternity unit and showed nursing staff the "birth plan" drawn up for Baby G by the "local safeguarding children board". Having shown their bit of paper, they walked out into the night with the baby.
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No doubt they performed this baby-snatch with solemn faces and great sensitivity, as is required of them. The independent chairwoman of Nottingham's safeguarding children board said on Thursday that plans to snatch neonates from the delivery room "are very difficult decisions to make and to implement, and require great sensitivity by all the professionals involved". Whether the professionals involved here showed the required sensitivity or not, we shall never know. Either way, the newly delivered teenager will not have noticed.
t the High Court on Thursday, Mr Justice Munby, who ordered the baby to be given back to its mother immediately, didn't seem too worried about showing "great sensitivity" in his loaded language. He said the removal, without a court order or police presence, was "on the face of it" unlawful. He said no baby could be removed simply "as the result of a decision taken by officials in some room".
We know now that Nottingham social services have obtained their court order (from the county court) and Baby G is safely in local authority foster care. We know that Nottingham City Council will "continue to prioritise the baby's welfare and continuing support for his mother". (Q. What does "support for his mother" mean? A. Dunno. She was in local authority care herself until weeks ago, but care stops once the child turns 18. Q. Well, what does "continuing" mean? A. You tell me.)
We know that the girl is going to be allowed to see her baby for "frequent periods each week", but only with minders. Will Baby G be adopted? We shall never find out, because child protection in this country is a marginally more secretive operation than MI5.
Hard-headed women, especially in my trade, know that it doesn't do to get emotionally involved with tragic sob stories in the news. We understand precisely how language can be used to tweak emotions. But I'm a bit neonatally sensitive at the moment, and newly delivered mothers are on my mind. I spent last Thursday in the John Radcliffe maternity unit in Oxford, gazing damp-eyed at the miracle of newborn twins and making all the traditional rite-of-passage noises. (Oh, how strong, how alert, how like their papa, how gorgeous, how beautiful the tiny nails, the perfect feet, blah blah. It just pours out of you, this sort of stuff.)
The twins belong to my goddaughter, so I'm allowed to be emotional. Actually, she's not my goddaughter at all. But her mother is my daughter's godmother, and (in Greece) that means we're close kin.
Babies are long in coming and effortfully produced - especially this particular pair (third try). So when my friend from north Oxford rang up a week ago and said: "We are a grandmother", I snatched up the car keys and was lacing my boots as she ran thbaby the stats: "Boy and girl, 7lb and 6lb 10oz - she's in the ICU for 24 hours, but he's out in the ward and washed and dressed and already feeding." I said fabulous, fantastic, I'll be there in an hour and flew down the bypass.
We'd all expected them to be premature and maybe really tiny. But still, full term and a great weight, and a pigeon pair - all they need now is for their mother to grow a second set of arms. My goddaughter had been delivered six hours earlier before I arrived. She looked shattered, bedraggled, dazed and radiant.
The delivery had been "normal", but tough, since the girl had been sideways on. Oooh, I said, wincing. Tools? She nodded. "Everything." No matter how good and modern and shining a maternity unit is, no matter how skilled its obstetricians and midwives, there are occasions when birthing babies gets very hands-on and 18th-century, involving suction cups and sugar tongs. And gritted teeth.
The idea that "some people in an office" - or "professionals acting with great sensitivity" - can feel that the right thing to do is swoop down on a newly delivered mother and remove what was a part of her until only two hours ago is cruel beyond imagining. After labouring to produce it? What did they think she would do to her baby in the next three days before her milk came in? Axe it to death?
I know, I know - we don't know enough about the teenage girl's "mental problems" and "troubled childhood" to know why Baby G was so "en a ed". Perhaps his hasty removal - and his subsequent foster care - was to save his life. I don't talk to anyone who believes that, though.
We have finally stopped the casual viciousness of making women prisoners labour and give birth while being handcuffed to their beds. Anyone who heard Woman's Hour yesterday morning will have been deeply disturbed by the report on a 20-year-old Chinese woman who was given a forced abortion by the authorities. By lethal injection. Nine months pregnant, with her waters already broken. I could hardly bear to listen.
But I'm not Chinese, so I can forget about the poor broken Chinese girl. I can't forget about Baby G's mother. I'm beginning to think we're becoming too worried about the human rights of neonates. All those blokes banging on about how we should never forget that the most important person in this case is the child, the rights of the child are supreme. I'm not sure they are supreme, if that means overriding the maternal rights of its mother. For a newborn, up to 28 days, its mother is supreme. If the odd stupid or chaotic or drunken or mentally ill mother looks like squashing her baby or failing to feed it, she should obviously be closely watched.
But to have this entire secret, ludicrous panoply of case-conferencing social services holier-than-thous taking unilateral action on behalf of the child alone is crazy. Inhuman.
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Post by sabrina on Feb 3, 2008 2:47:08 GMT
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Post by sabrina on Feb 5, 2008 10:25:38 GMT
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:opmsl lol lol 