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[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

leanne said:

Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi dem ave every right fi class yu up if yu neva have nuttin good fi seh yu shoulda keep yu mouth shut.

Yes they have, likewise I have every right to put forth my questions...
If they don't like it, don't put up your stories
If I came across harsh, I apologise
Sorry, but I'm not like the rest of you that sit down and believe everything that's written and told to them
I'm an analytic person

[leanne]

ok mrs know it all dem out numba yu already so good luck. mi cyaah support di fukkery yu a keep up. mi ah guh kik bak an watch di flex everytime mi quint anodda parent deh pon yu case

[sabrina]

Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi no you have not made any unpleasant comments about me yet. but it upsetting to see how you handled this topic without any regard whatsoever for the person posting.
I know what it feels like to have your children ripped away from your arms. its the worst thing that can happen to a loving and caring parent.
you told parent to do something to make money to hire a good solicitor to get the brats back. that was pretty sick and you shouldn't refer to anyones children like that especially in these circumstances.
You should apologize.

[childless father]

Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi i am intrested to know what are your views on social services, social workers and the service they provide?

[magnum]

kay said:

of SERIOUS HELP...she has a huge problem she is a very very angry person she always wants to be centre of attention,she doesnt like the idea of people putting their views across,she gets extremly angry and start to cuss people, it does not seem like she's right in the head,from her symptom l diagnosis anger managment.... it is surely needed and maybe something else which l'm not sure ,l'll leave it to the professionals if anyone out there can help please please leave a message hopefully she will appreciate your concern and get back to you.we all want her to get better.. l hope she doesnt take this to heart and hope she understands that she is in denial and be brave an takes the first step to recovery..goodluck

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all the regular users on this site know what tek yuh mind offa me is all about. dont waste any more time on dat mad woman

[tzar]

Hi, im new here and have to add to this discussion, while i do agree with sabrina the real problem seems to be outsiders lack of knowledge on this topic.
As pointed out tek yuh mind offa mi wants educating on this.
Fassit was closed down recently for unknown reasons, they are the support forum for forced adoption (yes it does happen) adoption targets have to be met for monetary gain so families are torn apart for little or no reason at all.
Family court hearings held in secret are giving violent, abusive non-resident parents contact with children, even paedophiles are given some kind of contact rights too.
Mothers are threatened with prison unless they force their children to see a father they are frightened of.
More recently 22 year old fran lyon who is expecting her first child is facing having her newborn baby removed because she self harmed in her early teens after being sexually abused. Although her psychiatrist has said she is and has been well for a number of years she still faces the SS removing her baby.
Do your research people, you will be shocked at what you will find.

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

childless said:

Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi i am intrested to know what are your views on social services, social workers and the service they provide?

Hello Childless father

Good question, I will talk about social services in regards to children. As you know, Social services deal with other people in communities apart from children (ie: Old people, mentally ill patients etc)

Social services is a form of agencies of control. The less dealings you have with any formal control agency (if you can help it), the better for you. Especially if you're black and live in a white country.

You do NOT own your children in this country. You have unwritten rules and instructions and social services are there to put you in check or take your children away from you, if they feel that you are not following the rules that are set out.

Social workers get too many case loads to go thbaby each case with a fine tooth comb. So it's like a lottery game, some get lucky and some get unlucky. Some children fall though the net, even though they are in an abusive home and some children are taken away even though they are in a loving stable environment-ESPECIALLY if YOUR BLACK!


Three main places that "THEY" want to get our black asses into.

Care Homes (Grooms you to get into the other two places, not saying ALL children goes down that road)

Prison

Mental institutions

In my opinion, it seems that it's easier and less work for social services to take children that are in a loving stable environment, then it is to take a child that it's in an abusive home. Less work and less money being spent.

I know I have answered you question indirectly BUT I hope you can decipher from what I have written, what my views are..

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

sabrina said:

Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi no you have not made any unpleasant comments about me yet. but it upsetting to see how you handled this topic without any regard whatsoever for the person posting.
I know what it feels like to have your children ripped away from your arms. its the worst thing that can happen to a loving and caring parent.
you told parent to do something to make money to hire a good solicitor to get the brats back. that was pretty sick and you shouldn't refer to anyones children like that especially in these circumstances.
You should apologize.

Please to tell me how I handled this topic

By asking questions?

By giving my opinion, which I must note two other posters did as well, because the story was full of contradictions and inconsistencies?

For me saying that Mother of 3, should of made another thread todiscuss her plight, instead of writing it in a thread titled "WUTLISS PARENTS". Because this thread was obviously about parents failing children and NOT the system.

For me saying that many in society will feel that mothers who have had their children taken into care are WUTLISS. Then added that's NOT my personal opinion

I will not apologise for what I said in the other thread

If the word "BRAT" is taken as an offense, that's you and parents problem not mines.
The message is still the same, whether if I used the word "CHILDREN" or BRATS.

IF YOU feel that ME telling a person to get their children back is sick, I really FEEL sorry for YOU.

I've already apologised for my harsh words in THIS thread BUT I wont be apologising for what should I said in the other thread.

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

leanne said:

ok mrs know it all dem out numba yu already so good luck. mi cyaah support di fukkery yu a keep up. mi ah guh kik bak an watch di flex everytime mi quint anodda parent deh pon yu case

Honey, I'm NOT a Know-it-all
Never claim to be nor will I ever
I'm always on a learning curve and will be for the rest of my life, just like every one else.

They ALL can come in their plentiful. I will stand my ground and they can there's. BUT I will not do is back down, just because there's an army of them and just one of me. I will continue to ask questions. Don't like questions being asked, don't put your story up on a message board. My ancestors blood runs deep thbaby my veins, I'm a one woman soldier.

If they take offense from an internet personality asking questions or saying uncomplimentary things. How the hell do they deal with people who would say so much worse then I will dare to say on here, to their face?

How do they handle being in a court of law and having the barrister from the other side, throwing accusations at them, accusing them of being an unfit mother.

SMH

Some of them need to read REAL S L O W and what I've written, instead of seeing one or two lines, then jumping the gun...

Smirk* Devil Advocate, any one...Ha! Never mind. NOT for the simple minded

[really]

a one woman soldier hey? more like a band idiot

[really]

tzar said:

Hi, im new here and have to add to this discussion, while i do agree with sabrina the real problem seems to be outsiders lack of knowledge on this topic.
As pointed out tek yuh mind offa mi wants educating on this.
Fassit was closed down recently for unknown reasons, they are the support forum for forced adoption (yes it does happen) adoption targets have to be met for monetary gain so families are torn apart for little or no reason at all.
Family court hearings held in secret are giving violent, abusive non-resident parents contact with children, even paedophiles are given some kind of contact rights too.
Mothers are threatened with prison unless they force their children to see a father they are frightened of.
More recently 22 year old fran lyon who is expecting her first child is facing having her newborn baby removed because she self harmed in her early teens after being sexually abused. Although her psychiatrist has said she is and has been well for a number of years she still faces the SS removing her baby.
Do your research people, you will be shocked at what you will find.

Its hard to educate someone who is delusional. what do u think?

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

tzar said:

Hi, im new here and have to add to this discussion, while i do agree with sabrina the real problem seems to be outsiders lack of knowledge on this topic.
As pointed out tek yuh mind offa mi wants educating on this.
Fassit was closed down recently for unknown reasons, they are the support forum for forced adoption (yes it does happen) adoption targets have to be met for monetary gain so families are torn apart for little or no reason at all.
Family court hearings held in secret are giving violent, abusive non-resident parents contact with children, even paedophiles are given some kind of contact rights too.
Mothers are threatened with prison unless they force their children to see a father they are frightened of.
More recently 22 year old fran lyon who is expecting her first child is facing having her newborn baby removed because she self harmed in her early teens after being sexually abused. Although her psychiatrist has said she is and has been well for a number of years she still faces the SS removing her baby.
Do your research people, you will be shocked at what you will find.

Hello Tzar

I'm not sure if you read, BUT I myself has said in this thread, that's the reason why I keep coming back.
Because I want to be EDUCATED on this subject!
I'm Intrigued!
I admitted that this is something that I don't know too much about. BUT folks want to discuss what I had said previously in this thread (which I have apologised about) INSTEAD of moving forward and give me hard other stories and facts. Remember their are people that visit this board BUT don't post, so you'll be educating them as well as Me.

And yes I will be asking questions

[tzar]

I think there needs to be more openmindedness on subjects people dont know enough about before commenting.
SS do and have used reasons such as late for school as reasons for removing them, and even worse that the child MIGHT be subjected to emotional harm at a later time in life.
Deluded, ignorant, call it what you will.

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

really said:

tzar said:

Hi, im new here and have to add to this discussion, while i do agree with sabrina the real problem seems to be outsiders lack of knowledge on this topic.
As pointed out tek yuh mind offa mi wants educating on this.
Fassit was closed down recently for unknown reasons, they are the support forum for forced adoption (yes it does happen) adoption targets have to be met for monetary gain so families are torn apart for little or no reason at all.
Family court hearings held in secret are giving violent, abusive non-resident parents contact with children, even paedophiles are given some kind of contact rights too.
Mothers are threatened with prison unless they force their children to see a father they are frightened of.
More recently 22 year old fran lyon who is expecting her first child is facing having her newborn baby removed because she self harmed in her early teens after being sexually abused. Although her psychiatrist has said she is and has been well for a number of years she still faces the SS removing her baby.
Do your research people, you will be shocked at what you will find.

Its hard to educate someone who is delusional. what do u think?

Please can you take your silly rant some where else.
This is an important discussion and something that I'm interested in knowing more about.

By The Way My Educational achievements would say otherwise. Delusional or not I've managed to accomplish more then a lot of people can only dream about.

[tzar]

Tek said:

tzar said:

Hi, im new here and have to add to this discussion, while i do agree with sabrina the real problem seems to be outsiders lack of knowledge on this topic.
As pointed out tek yuh mind offa mi wants educating on this.
Fassit was closed down recently for unknown reasons, they are the support forum for forced adoption (yes it does happen) adoption targets have to be met for monetary gain so families are torn apart for little or no reason at all.
Family court hearings held in secret are giving violent, abusive non-resident parents contact with children, even paedophiles are given some kind of contact rights too.
Mothers are threatened with prison unless they force their children to see a father they are frightened of.
More recently 22 year old fran lyon who is expecting her first child is facing having her newborn baby removed because she self harmed in her early teens after being sexually abused. Although her psychiatrist has said she is and has been well for a number of years she still faces the SS removing her baby.
Do your research people, you will be shocked at what you will find.

Hello Tzar

I'm not sure if you read, BUT I myself has said in this thread, that's the reason why I keep coming back.
Because I want to be EDUCATED on this subject!
I'm Intrigued!
I admitted that this is something that I don't know too much about. BUT folks want to discuss what I had said previously in this thread (which I have apologised about) INSTEAD of moving forward and give me hard other stories and facts. Remember their are people that visit this board BUT don't post, so you'll be educating them as well as Me.

And yes I will be asking questions

Good, glad you will be asking questions, the more people that know about this the better, too many people are walking around blissfully ignorant to the corrupt way in which this country is being run.

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

tzar said:

I think there needs to be more openmindedness on subjects people dont know enough about before commenting.
SS do and have used reasons such as late for school as reasons for removing them, and even worse that the child MIGHT be subjected to emotional harm at a later time in life.
Deluded, ignorant, call it what you will.

It's LIFE!
People will have comments, judgments and opinions on subjects, especially those that they are not familiar with. And I'm sure YOU are also guilty of doing the same thing.
It's HUMAN NATURE, so in hindsight, going by what you have said EVERY ONE (including yourself) is deluded, ignorant plus much more


Mother of 3, even said herself that of she was told a year ago, that some one's children were taken away because they were late for school, she would be skeptical to believe it.

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

Tek said:

tzar said:

I think there needs to be more openmindedness on subjects people dont know enough about before commenting.
SS do and have used reasons such as late for school as reasons for removing them, and even worse that the child MIGHT be subjected to emotional harm at a later time in life.
Deluded, ignorant, call it what you will.

It's LIFE!
People will have comments, judgments and opinions on subjects, especially those that they are not familiar with. And I'm sure YOU are also guilty of doing the same thing.
It's HUMAN NATURE, so in hindsight, going by what you have said EVERY ONE (including yourself) is deluded, ignorant plus much more


Mother of 3, even said herself that of she was told a year ago, that some one's children were taken away because they were late for school, she would be skeptical to believe it.

I will like to add, I've admitted more then once that I was harsh. Probably a little bit too harsh. I've apologised and I wont be going back and forward with any one else about what I had previously said in this thread.

I will only be replying to those that are willing to share stories to those similar to mother of 3

Mother of 3, I'll like to applogise (once again). I've realised that I came out you a bit harsh amoung other things.

I'm truly sorry to any one that I offended in this thread, with the exception of the poster "REALLY"...

[tzar]

Tek said:

tzar said:

I think there needs to be more openmindedness on subjects people dont know enough about before commenting.
SS do and have used reasons such as late for school as reasons for removing them, and even worse that the child MIGHT be subjected to emotional harm at a later time in life.
Deluded, ignorant, call it what you will.

It's LIFE!
People will have comments, judgments and opinions on subjects, especially those that they are not familiar with. And I'm sure YOU are also guilty of doing the same thing.
It's HUMAN NATURE, so in hindsight, going by what you have said EVERY ONE (including yourself) is deluded, ignorant plus much more


Mother of 3, even said herself that of she was told a year ago, that some one's children were taken away because they were late for school, she would be skeptical to believe it.

I didnt use deluded or ignorant in a derogatory term, i was just pointing out how unaware people are on this particular topic.
I will not be getting into any personal conflicts with anybody, i think there is enough of that already from reading previous posts.

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi]

tzar said:

Tek said:

It's LIFE!
People will have comments, judgments and opinions on subjects, especially those that they are not familiar with. And I'm sure YOU are also guilty of doing the same thing.
It's HUMAN NATURE, so in hindsight, going by what you have said EVERY ONE (including yourself) is deluded, ignorant plus much more


Mother of 3, even said herself that of she was told a year ago, that some one's children were taken away because they were late for school, she would be skeptical to believe it.

I didnt use deluded or ignorant in a derogatory term, i was just pointing out how unaware people are on this particular topic.
I will not be getting into any personal conflicts with anybody, i think there is enough of that already from reading previous posts.

Understood!
I myself don't want to get into any more conflicts in this thread either..

This thread is a real eye opener
Yeah ,I'll admit I was ignorant to mother of 3 story. I'm woman enough and smart enough to admit that.

[really]

i dont want your apology
I will only be replying to those that are willing to share stories to those similar to mother of 3???
get over yourself a s s h o l e

[Atlantis mothers for justice]

As with everything in life that people have never experience we need to educate the 'everyday' person on how the SS act in the hopes that being forwarned will have the effect of it not happening to them or their loved ones and maybe the person receiving the information can show the compassion to do the right thing and get involved to stop this happening now to others in this situation.

Social Services have too much power. That is a no brainer. They are responsible for the welfare and lives of children in this country and yet are accountable to no one and under scrutiny by no one.

We all know that their are children in a of harm who should be removed from their enviroment, but in a lot of cases these children are not given the chance to live with family and loved ones but put straight into the care system where they are again abused.

Tony Blair ( I'm not going to comment on him, biting tongue!) created a policy to get these older children out of care and adopted that relied on targeted figures for the SS to get a 40% adoption rate which was linked to payments and bonuses for their departments, these monies are worth millions.

As we all know older children in care who come with baggage and aren't so cute are seldom adopted, adoptees favouring children under one. So for the SS to achieve these targets they started 'finding' problems such as 'past' 'mental' 'illnesses' with very normal mothers who have never harmed a child and are not likely to do so. MBP, a fabricated illness accredited to Sir Roy Meadows ( now himself discredited after the Sally Clark fiasco and others), Dr ! David Southhall ( now being investigated for the deaths in his care of children he experimented on ) MBP, anorexia, panic attacks, somilisation all generally part of the show and tell in secret courts from 'experts' who have usually never met the mother in question.

But it does not end there. Schools are running 'fat' census check lists, if they deem your child overweight ( including children who grow outwards before shooting upwards) they can put your child on the 'at risk' register.

If your child misses school due to illnesses or is late more than is acceptable ( sometimes only a few times a term) your child will go on the 'at risk' register.

If your child is not a stepford child and does not, can not conform to their check list they will go on the 'at risk' register.

Lunch boxes are checked and monitored for the types of food supplied by home and guess what if the school doesn't like what they find ( which is most things as they have a target to reach for children eating sloppy school dinners ) your child will go on the 'at risk' register.

If you take your child to the doctor with a 'mystery' complaint, ( the things they used to call growing pains when they couldn't figure out what was wrong) you are deemed to be causing these symptoms (MBP) and they will take your child into care.

These are just a small sample of the reasonings behind the growing backlash against the SS and the powers they have to remove children for ( no good reason) from loving, caring, parents.

But the really frightening thing is that this is all done in secret behind closed door with no accountability. Only the 'experts' for the SS are listened too and even if your have twenty real expert witnesses on your side the SS witnesses are classed as 'the experts'.

It's a kangeroo court with no hope for any parent to defend themselves.

-

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE]

Atlantis said:

As with everything in life that people have never experience we need to educate the 'everyday' person on how the SS act in the hopes that being forwarned will have the effect of it not happening to them or their loved ones and maybe the person receiving the information can show the compassion to do the right thing and get involved to stop this happening now to others in this situation.

Social Services have too much power. That is a no brainer. They are responsible for the welfare and lives of children in this country and yet are accountable to no one and under scrutiny by no one.

We all know that their are children in a of harm who should be removed from their enviroment, but in a lot of cases these children are not given the chance to live with family and loved ones but put straight into the care system where they are again abused.

Tony Blair ( I'm not going to comment on him, biting tongue!) created a policy to get these older children out of care and adopted that relied on targeted figures for the SS to get a 40% adoption rate which was linked to payments and bonuses for their departments, these monies are worth millions.

As we all know older children in care who come with baggage and aren't so cute are seldom adopted, adoptees favouring children under one. So for the SS to achieve these targets they started 'finding' problems such as 'past' 'mental' 'illnesses' with very normal mothers who have never harmed a child and are not likely to do so. MBP, a fabricated illness accredited to Sir Roy Meadows ( now himself discredited after the Sally Clark fiasco and others), Dr ! David Southhall ( now being investigated for the deaths in his care of children he experimented on ) MBP, anorexia, panic attacks, somilisation all generally part of the show and tell in secret courts from 'experts' who have usually never met the mother in question.

But it does not end there. Schools are running 'fat' census check lists, if they deem your child overweight ( including children who grow outwards before shooting upwards) they can put your child on the 'at risk' register.

If your child misses school due to illnesses or is late more than is acceptable ( sometimes only a few times a term) your child will go on the 'at risk' register.

If your child is not a stepford child and does not, can not conform to their check list they will go on the 'at risk' register.

Lunch boxes are checked and monitored for the types of food supplied by home and guess what if the school doesn't like what they find ( which is most things as they have a target to reach for children eating sloppy school dinners ) your child will go on the 'at risk' register.

If you take your child to the doctor with a 'mystery' complaint, ( the things they used to call growing pains when they couldn't figure out what was wrong) you are deemed to be causing these symptoms (MBP) and they will take your child into care.

These are just a small sample of the reasonings behind the growing backlash against the SS and the powers they have to remove children for ( no good reason) from loving, caring, parents.

But the really frightening thing is that this is all done in secret behind closed door with no accountability. Only the 'experts' for the SS are listened too and even if your have twenty real expert witnesses on your side the SS witnesses are classed as 'the experts'.

It's a kangeroo court with no hope for any parent to defend themselves.

-

Hello Atlantis, Thanks for your input
You have just gone in great depth to what I had previously written to childless father down below.

Just two question, are mothers allowed to get a transcript of any court of any court hearings that she attended or wasn't invited to?

Would a mother putting forth to the court that she wasn't invited to any court hearing to discuss herself and child/ren, hold any weight in a court of law?

SMH New world Order

Hello Childless father

Good question, I will talk about social services in regards to children. As you know, Social services deal with other people in communities apart from children (ie: Old people, mentally ill patients etc)

Social services is a form of agencies of control. The less dealings you have with any formal control agency (if you can help it), the better for you. Especially if you're black and live in a white country.

You do NOT own your children in this country. You have unwritten rules and instructions and social services are there to put you in check or take your children away from you, if they feel that you are not following the rules that are set out.

Social workers get too many case loads to go thbaby each case with a fine tooth comb. So it's like a lottery game, some get lucky and some get unlucky. Some children fall though the net, even though they are in an abusive home and some children are taken away even though they are in a loving stable environment-ESPECIALLY if YOUR BLACK!


Three main places that "THEY" want to get our black asses into.

Care Homes (Grooms you to get into the other two places, not saying ALL children goes down that road)

Prison

Mental institutions

In my opinion, it seems that it's easier and less work for social services to take children that are in a loving stable environment, then it is to take a child that it's in an abusive home. Less work and less money being spent.

I know I have answered you question indirectly BUT I hope you can decipher from what I have written, what my views are..

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE]

Honestly, I don't think I will be able to come back in this thread...Honestly I don't.

Even though I come across harsh, I am a very compassionate person.

I'm fearful, very fearful for mother's and children in this country. A tear has rolled down my left cheek without permission, by reading stories on that site, parent had posted.

World Order in full effect..They want us and our children to be zombies. And the best way to do that, is get them whilst their young...

[tzar]

Tek said:

Honestly, I don't think I will be able to come back in this thread...Honestly I don't.

Even though I come across harsh, I am a very compassionate person.

I'm fearful, very fearful for mother's and children in this country. A tear has rolled down my left cheek without permission, by reading stories on that site, parent had posted.

World Order in full effect..They want us and our children to be zombies. And the best way to do that, is get them whilst their young...

You understand now?

[Tek Yuh Mind Offa Mi PLEASE]

tzar said:

Tek said:

Honestly, I don't think I will be able to come back in this thread...Honestly I don't.

Even though I come across harsh, I am a very compassionate person.

I'm fearful, very fearful for mother's and children in this country. A tear has rolled down my left cheek without permission, by reading stories on that site, parent had posted.

World Order in full effect..They want us and our children to be zombies. And the best way to do that, is get them whilst their young...

You understand now?

From the point of a mother having her children wrongly taken away from her, yes I sure do.

I very fearful, VERY...

Monetary gain is the biggest thing for these people, even it includes

Breaking up family homes
Giving you toxic drugs
Poisoning the air so you develop diseases to take ttheir posionous drugs etc etc etc

World order in FULL EFFECT!

[really]

lets hope the daft bint truly understands the plight of unsuspecting parents all over this country.

[missmyson]

My god, why are there people out there still in denial out there.
it does happen and it is just to meet their quota's.

Yes I have had a child taken as well. And still have one at home.

No we are not worthless......and people who think that should get their heads out of the sand (or where ever they have stuck them) and read newspapers and tv programmes. And find out the truth and hope to god yours aren't next. cos it does happen.

WE don't need people to say we are worthless if we were why would we fight to try and get our children back. And have backing from MP's who want to open up family courts.

WHY because these MP'S know the truth that's why.

[really]

well said missmyson

[tzar]

Trouble is there still needs to be more MPs that have the guts to stand alongside the likes of john hemming and fight for the family courts to be opened up.
They all know the truth but are they actually willing to do anything about it?

[missmyson]

I must agree with you yes we do need more MP's on our side. I know our's don't And I'm so thankful John Hemming actually told me I did nothing wrong when they took my son away. And also Ian Joseph

But all ss say is read the notes?

we even went to the appeal court and we were turned down for an appeal.

we don't know what to do next as our son is now with is prospective adopters and he is now calling them mummy and daddy. I said yeah of course he is we haven't been allowed to see him for the last 10 months according to him we are dead (his words on our last contact session with him) we have now been told if we co operate with them we can have in direct contact and if that works direct contact BUT if we take it further they will see us in court.